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		<title>Comment on what happened? by Christophe Thill</title>
		<link>http://hovreferendum.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/what-happened/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Christophe Thill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I hate GW Bush, I don't think that the term limit he's going to reach is democratic. If the US are to get rid of him, it would be much better if it was as the result of a democratic vote, rather that for a legal-technical reason like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I hate GW Bush, I don&#8217;t think that the term limit he&#8217;s going to reach is democratic. If the US are to get rid of him, it would be much better if it was as the result of a democratic vote, rather that for a legal-technical reason like this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on what happened? by darrall cozens</title>
		<link>http://hovreferendum.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/what-happened/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>darrall cozens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick says it all. In how many countries are there limits to the number of times that you can stand for the highest office? In the UK you can stand as often as you want. The decision on being elected is not in the hands of the candidate but the electorate. Who elected the UK head of state, the Queen? Who elected Juan Carlos in Spain who told Chavez to shut up? Nobody! He was nominated by a fascist dictator, Franco! As for the army being politicised, Craig has to remember that the armed forces under capitalism are there to protect the status quo in society and that means protecting the interests of those who stand at the top of society. Without a politicised army there is no chance of changing society. The lower ranks in Venezuela are with Chavez against poverty and hunger. The top brass are split between the opposition and their jobs and careers.
Darrall Cozens</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick says it all. In how many countries are there limits to the number of times that you can stand for the highest office? In the UK you can stand as often as you want. The decision on being elected is not in the hands of the candidate but the electorate. Who elected the UK head of state, the Queen? Who elected Juan Carlos in Spain who told Chavez to shut up? Nobody! He was nominated by a fascist dictator, Franco! As for the army being politicised, Craig has to remember that the armed forces under capitalism are there to protect the status quo in society and that means protecting the interests of those who stand at the top of society. Without a politicised army there is no chance of changing society. The lower ranks in Venezuela are with Chavez against poverty and hunger. The top brass are split between the opposition and their jobs and careers.<br />
Darrall Cozens</p>
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		<title>Comment on what happened? by Patrick Larsen</title>
		<link>http://hovreferendum.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/what-happened/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps "Craig M" will explain us why he is scared about "president for lifetime"? A theme that all bourgeois newspapers are echoing. Someone can only get president, if he or she is ELECTED by the people! Remember, that in Europe, there is no limit on how many times you can be prime minister, in any country I know of.
So what's the problem? Perhaps YOU are scared, that Chávez might win against the right-wing in future elections, because he puts forward left-wing ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps &#8220;Craig M&#8221; will explain us why he is scared about &#8220;president for lifetime&#8221;? A theme that all bourgeois newspapers are echoing. Someone can only get president, if he or she is ELECTED by the people! Remember, that in Europe, there is no limit on how many times you can be prime minister, in any country I know of.<br />
So what&#8217;s the problem? Perhaps YOU are scared, that Chávez might win against the right-wing in future elections, because he puts forward left-wing ideas?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Referendum day - the summoning of the faithfull by jsb</title>
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		<dc:creator>jsb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"This was a sign to the opposition saying we are here, we are not gong to go away, we are the real majority."

28%? Some majority, mate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This was a sign to the opposition saying we are here, we are not gong to go away, we are the real majority.&#8221;</p>
<p>28%? Some majority, mate.</p>
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		<title>Comment on what happened? by Craig M</title>
		<link>http://hovreferendum.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/what-happened/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 06:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is another theory:

Perhaps the masses dared to defy your wishes and dreamed of a country withut a President for life. Perhaps they wnat it about as badly as you'd prefer a President Bush without limits of terms in office.

Perhaps the masses dared to hope of a military devoid of politicization. Instead, they continue to march with official chants of: "Homeland, Socialism, or Death!". Can you imagine soldiers of the West marching with "Capitalism or Death!". Atrocious politicization.

Perhaps the people wanted some autonomy attached to the Central Bank again, instead of being tied to Hugo.

Perhaps the people dared to wish for a litle more separation than currently exists between state and judiciary, now that Hugo has stacked the benches.

Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is another theory:</p>
<p>Perhaps the masses dared to defy your wishes and dreamed of a country withut a President for life. Perhaps they wnat it about as badly as you&#8217;d prefer a President Bush without limits of terms in office.</p>
<p>Perhaps the masses dared to hope of a military devoid of politicization. Instead, they continue to march with official chants of: &#8220;Homeland, Socialism, or Death!&#8221;. Can you imagine soldiers of the West marching with &#8220;Capitalism or Death!&#8221;. Atrocious politicization.</p>
<p>Perhaps the people wanted some autonomy attached to the Central Bank again, instead of being tied to Hugo.</p>
<p>Perhaps the people dared to wish for a litle more separation than currently exists between state and judiciary, now that Hugo has stacked the benches.</p>
<p>Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on the voters wait patiently by David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 05:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WSWS : News &#38; Analysis : South &#38; Central America
The referendum defeat in Venezuela: A warning to the working class
By Bill Van Auken
4 December 2007

Use this version to print &#124; Send this link by email &#124; Email the author

The narrow defeat on Sunday of a constitutional reform submitted to a referendum vote by the government of President Hugo Chavez has produced a mood of right-wing triumphalism within both Venezuela’s oligarchy and the US political establishment.

“This is the beginning of the end,” chanted opponents of Chavez in the streets of Caracas after the Venezuelan electoral tribunal announced that the proposed reform had gone down to defeat, with 50.1 percent of the voters casting “no” ballots and 49.9 voting “yes.”

While gloating over the defeat for Chavez, the Bush administration is stepping up its threats. The White House’s attitude was summed up by its former top official on Latin America, Roger Noriega, the former assistant secretary of state for the Western Hemisphere. Noriega declared Monday in relation to Chavez: “It will be a bitter pill and he will be slashing in every direction and will provoke another crisis. If he overreaches again or soon, he will be risking everything, and he knows it.”

The vote represented the first electoral defeat suffered by Chavez since he came to office in 1998 on a program of left nationalism and increased social welfare measures.

At issue was a 69-point revision of the 1999 constitution, which was also drafted under Chavez. The changes included some social provisions—the shortening of the working day and the establishment of a social security system for the millions of Venezuelans outside of the formal economy. The central thrust of the reform, however, was to substantially increase the power of the Venezuelan presidency, while doing away with term limits and lengthening the president’s term in office.

Among these changes were measures allowing the imposition of indefinite states of emergency—without any court review—in which the president could suspend due process rights and freedom of expression. The president would have also been granted the power to decree federal territories, effectively supplanting elected provincial and municipal governments with his own appointees, and to decide on all promotions within the military.

The campaign in favor of the reform was largely pitched as a vote of confidence in Chavez, underscoring the personalist character of the entire project, designed largely to keep the president in office and expand his powers.

Despite the rhetoric surrounding Chavez’s advocacy of the reforms as a means of realizing a vaguely defined “21st century socialism,” the revised constitution did nothing to advance the independent political power of the working class. Rather, it handed a state that—both in practice and in the language of the constitution itself—defends capitalist private ownership of the means of production, increased powers that could be used to repress any genuinely working class revolutionary movement.

There can be no doubt that the defeat of the reform will embolden those sections of the country’s old ruling elites that bitterly resent Chavez’s social reforms and populist politics. It will fuel attempts by them as well as their allies in the military, backed by Washington, to find other, non-electoral means to depose Chavez’s government, just as they sought to do in the abortive CIA-backed coup of April 2002.

This poses a grave threat to Venezuelan working people, as such a coup would not stop at overturning the Chavez government, but would inevitably unleash wholesale repression against workers and the most oppressed layers of the population—those who took to the streets in 2002 to defeat the last coup attempt.

The referendum result comes nearly one year after Chavez was elected to a second six-year term last December. In that election, he won 63 percent of the vote, largely on the strength of the anti-poverty measures implemented by his government, utilizing the increased income from rising oil prices, which have soared eight-fold since Chavez was first elected president.

Sunday’s voting was characterized by a far higher abstention rate than in last year’s presidential contest. Political analysts in Venezuela had predicted that heavy abstention would favor the government, which they believed could turn out sufficient numbers of its supporters and beneficiaries. As the results indicate, however, the opposite proved to be true. The growth in abstention came largely from those who voted for Chavez in 2006, while the opposition managed to increase its own vote total slightly.

While in 2006 some 7.3 million Venezuelans voted for Chavez’s reelection, this time around only 4.3 million voted for the constitutional reform. On the other side, the “no” vote Sunday totaled some 4.5 million—approximately 200,000 more than the number that voted for Chavez’s principal competitor in the presidential election, Manuel Rosales.

This shift can be explained in part by the aggressive and virulently anti-communist campaign waged by all of the main pillars of Venezuela’s oligarchy—the business federation Fedecamaras, the Catholic bishops and the right-wing privately owned media. In some of the lurid propaganda employed by this campaign, Venezuelans were told lies about the reform laying the basis for the state to take away their children or expropriate their homes and cars.

Much attention was also directed by the media—both Venezuelan and international—to the anti-government demonstrations staged by students, most of them drawn from the wealthier sections of youth attending the private universities. These demonstrations—coordinated with the right-wing opposition and frequently violent—were portrayed as a crusade for liberty.

US financed opposition

As the Washington Post acknowledged over the weekend, the protests were funded in no small part by the US government. The Post cited US documents obtained by National Security Archive researcher Jeremy Bigwood under the Freedom of Information Act showing that at least $216,000 was funneled through the Office of Transition Initiatives (OTI), a secretive branch of the US Agency for International Development that was set up in Caracas in the wake of the failed April 2002 coup.

The money was earmarked in part for “democracy promotion.” This is doubtless only a small portion of the funding provided through US agencies, including the National Endowment for Democracy and the CIA itself.

On the eve of the referendum, the Venezuelan government announced that it had intercepted a memorandum from one Michael Steere, an embassy “regional affairs” officer in Caracas, to CIA Director General Michael Hayden in Washington, reviewing US operations surrounding the referendum and indicating that some $8 million had been funneled to opposition forces through OTI.

According to details released in Caracas, the memo refers to “Operation Pliers” and outlines plans for “psychological operations” aimed at boosting the “no” vote and fomenting a campaign to discredit the referendum as a fraud if the reforms passed. The memo also points to an initiative through the embassy’s defense attaché to establish connections with right-wing military officers, apparently with the intention of preparing another coup in the wake of the referendum.

While the US-backed propaganda campaign doubtless had an effect, particularly upon the more backward sections of the Venezuelan population, underlying the shift in the electorate are deeper political and social contradictions.

On the one hand, sections of the Chavista movement either openly or tacitly supported the defeat of the constitutional reform. This included Chavez’s former key military supporter, retired Gen. Raul Baduel, who until last summer was the defense minister.

Baduel, a close ally of Chavez going back to Chavez’s founding of the cell in the army that organized an abortive 1992 coup, was the officer who rallied the decisive section of the military against the 2002 coup against the president. But he openly aligned himself with the right wing in opposition to Chavez’s constitutional reform. Other prominent officials as well as the social democratic party Podemos—which had previously been part of the government’s parliamentary coalition—did likewise.

A number of governors and leading municipal officials identified with Chavismo tacitly backed defeat of the reform, in large part for fear that handing Chavez the authority to set up federal territories threatened to undercut their own power and privileges.

Within the working class itself, the referendum’s results express growing disillusionment with the government’s inability to resolve the basic social questions in Venezuela, its diversion of oil revenues into various social programs notwithstanding.

Despite these reforms and the socialist rhetoric of the Chavez government, the reality of Venezuela is a country where the commanding heights of the economy remain firmly in the hands of a financial elite. Indeed, the private sector constitutes a larger share of the country’s economy today than when Chavez first took office, and it remains, along with the military, a pillar of his government.

Much of the growth of the private sector is accounted for by the financial sector, which has recorded the highest rate of profit anywhere in the world. Last year, commercial banks in Venezuela, many of them subsidiaries of major international financial institutions, saw a 110 percent increase in assets.

While the economy is fueled by $100 million in daily oil revenues, the lion’s share coming from exports to the US, financial speculation and administrative corruption have created increasing imbalances that are taking their toll on the working class and the poor.

The attempts by the government to ameliorate the effects of a 20 percent inflation rate—the highest in Latin America—with price controls has been circumvented by producers, who are either curtailing production or diverting their goods onto the black market. The result has been widespread shortages of basic food commodities for the general population, the majority of which remains in poverty, even as the wealthy elite is able to buy anything it wants and is spending more than ever.

Washington will do everything possible—up to and including direct military intervention—in order to reassert its hegemonic control over Venezuela’s oil reserves, the largest in the Western Hemisphere.

This threat cannot be defeated by strengthening the bourgeois state apparatus headed by Hugo Chavez, which rests on a military that defends capitalism and which gave rise to the attempted US-backed coup of 2002, none of whose leaders have ever been punished.

Various “left” political organizations attempt to subordinate the working class to Chavez and portray his “Bolivarian Revolution” as some new path to socialism, to be realized without the working class itself overthrowing capitalism or establishing its own organs of state power. They see their own role as that of agents of influence, supposedly pushing Chavez to carry out more radical measures.

The history of Latin America—from Allende in Chile to a host of other “left” military regimes—has shown again and again that the inevitable result of such opportunist politics is to hand the working class over to its bitterest enemies.

The most urgent task posed by the referendum’s results and the growing political dangers in Venezuela is the independent mobilization of the Venezuelan working class in its own political party, fighting on the basis of a genuine internationalist and socialist program in unity with workers throughout Latin America, in the US, and internationally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WSWS : News &amp; Analysis : South &amp; Central America<br />
The referendum defeat in Venezuela: A warning to the working class<br />
By Bill Van Auken<br />
4 December 2007</p>
<p>Use this version to print | Send this link by email | Email the author</p>
<p>The narrow defeat on Sunday of a constitutional reform submitted to a referendum vote by the government of President Hugo Chavez has produced a mood of right-wing triumphalism within both Venezuela’s oligarchy and the US political establishment.</p>
<p>“This is the beginning of the end,” chanted opponents of Chavez in the streets of Caracas after the Venezuelan electoral tribunal announced that the proposed reform had gone down to defeat, with 50.1 percent of the voters casting “no” ballots and 49.9 voting “yes.”</p>
<p>While gloating over the defeat for Chavez, the Bush administration is stepping up its threats. The White House’s attitude was summed up by its former top official on Latin America, Roger Noriega, the former assistant secretary of state for the Western Hemisphere. Noriega declared Monday in relation to Chavez: “It will be a bitter pill and he will be slashing in every direction and will provoke another crisis. If he overreaches again or soon, he will be risking everything, and he knows it.”</p>
<p>The vote represented the first electoral defeat suffered by Chavez since he came to office in 1998 on a program of left nationalism and increased social welfare measures.</p>
<p>At issue was a 69-point revision of the 1999 constitution, which was also drafted under Chavez. The changes included some social provisions—the shortening of the working day and the establishment of a social security system for the millions of Venezuelans outside of the formal economy. The central thrust of the reform, however, was to substantially increase the power of the Venezuelan presidency, while doing away with term limits and lengthening the president’s term in office.</p>
<p>Among these changes were measures allowing the imposition of indefinite states of emergency—without any court review—in which the president could suspend due process rights and freedom of expression. The president would have also been granted the power to decree federal territories, effectively supplanting elected provincial and municipal governments with his own appointees, and to decide on all promotions within the military.</p>
<p>The campaign in favor of the reform was largely pitched as a vote of confidence in Chavez, underscoring the personalist character of the entire project, designed largely to keep the president in office and expand his powers.</p>
<p>Despite the rhetoric surrounding Chavez’s advocacy of the reforms as a means of realizing a vaguely defined “21st century socialism,” the revised constitution did nothing to advance the independent political power of the working class. Rather, it handed a state that—both in practice and in the language of the constitution itself—defends capitalist private ownership of the means of production, increased powers that could be used to repress any genuinely working class revolutionary movement.</p>
<p>There can be no doubt that the defeat of the reform will embolden those sections of the country’s old ruling elites that bitterly resent Chavez’s social reforms and populist politics. It will fuel attempts by them as well as their allies in the military, backed by Washington, to find other, non-electoral means to depose Chavez’s government, just as they sought to do in the abortive CIA-backed coup of April 2002.</p>
<p>This poses a grave threat to Venezuelan working people, as such a coup would not stop at overturning the Chavez government, but would inevitably unleash wholesale repression against workers and the most oppressed layers of the population—those who took to the streets in 2002 to defeat the last coup attempt.</p>
<p>The referendum result comes nearly one year after Chavez was elected to a second six-year term last December. In that election, he won 63 percent of the vote, largely on the strength of the anti-poverty measures implemented by his government, utilizing the increased income from rising oil prices, which have soared eight-fold since Chavez was first elected president.</p>
<p>Sunday’s voting was characterized by a far higher abstention rate than in last year’s presidential contest. Political analysts in Venezuela had predicted that heavy abstention would favor the government, which they believed could turn out sufficient numbers of its supporters and beneficiaries. As the results indicate, however, the opposite proved to be true. The growth in abstention came largely from those who voted for Chavez in 2006, while the opposition managed to increase its own vote total slightly.</p>
<p>While in 2006 some 7.3 million Venezuelans voted for Chavez’s reelection, this time around only 4.3 million voted for the constitutional reform. On the other side, the “no” vote Sunday totaled some 4.5 million—approximately 200,000 more than the number that voted for Chavez’s principal competitor in the presidential election, Manuel Rosales.</p>
<p>This shift can be explained in part by the aggressive and virulently anti-communist campaign waged by all of the main pillars of Venezuela’s oligarchy—the business federation Fedecamaras, the Catholic bishops and the right-wing privately owned media. In some of the lurid propaganda employed by this campaign, Venezuelans were told lies about the reform laying the basis for the state to take away their children or expropriate their homes and cars.</p>
<p>Much attention was also directed by the media—both Venezuelan and international—to the anti-government demonstrations staged by students, most of them drawn from the wealthier sections of youth attending the private universities. These demonstrations—coordinated with the right-wing opposition and frequently violent—were portrayed as a crusade for liberty.</p>
<p>US financed opposition</p>
<p>As the Washington Post acknowledged over the weekend, the protests were funded in no small part by the US government. The Post cited US documents obtained by National Security Archive researcher Jeremy Bigwood under the Freedom of Information Act showing that at least $216,000 was funneled through the Office of Transition Initiatives (OTI), a secretive branch of the US Agency for International Development that was set up in Caracas in the wake of the failed April 2002 coup.</p>
<p>The money was earmarked in part for “democracy promotion.” This is doubtless only a small portion of the funding provided through US agencies, including the National Endowment for Democracy and the CIA itself.</p>
<p>On the eve of the referendum, the Venezuelan government announced that it had intercepted a memorandum from one Michael Steere, an embassy “regional affairs” officer in Caracas, to CIA Director General Michael Hayden in Washington, reviewing US operations surrounding the referendum and indicating that some $8 million had been funneled to opposition forces through OTI.</p>
<p>According to details released in Caracas, the memo refers to “Operation Pliers” and outlines plans for “psychological operations” aimed at boosting the “no” vote and fomenting a campaign to discredit the referendum as a fraud if the reforms passed. The memo also points to an initiative through the embassy’s defense attaché to establish connections with right-wing military officers, apparently with the intention of preparing another coup in the wake of the referendum.</p>
<p>While the US-backed propaganda campaign doubtless had an effect, particularly upon the more backward sections of the Venezuelan population, underlying the shift in the electorate are deeper political and social contradictions.</p>
<p>On the one hand, sections of the Chavista movement either openly or tacitly supported the defeat of the constitutional reform. This included Chavez’s former key military supporter, retired Gen. Raul Baduel, who until last summer was the defense minister.</p>
<p>Baduel, a close ally of Chavez going back to Chavez’s founding of the cell in the army that organized an abortive 1992 coup, was the officer who rallied the decisive section of the military against the 2002 coup against the president. But he openly aligned himself with the right wing in opposition to Chavez’s constitutional reform. Other prominent officials as well as the social democratic party Podemos—which had previously been part of the government’s parliamentary coalition—did likewise.</p>
<p>A number of governors and leading municipal officials identified with Chavismo tacitly backed defeat of the reform, in large part for fear that handing Chavez the authority to set up federal territories threatened to undercut their own power and privileges.</p>
<p>Within the working class itself, the referendum’s results express growing disillusionment with the government’s inability to resolve the basic social questions in Venezuela, its diversion of oil revenues into various social programs notwithstanding.</p>
<p>Despite these reforms and the socialist rhetoric of the Chavez government, the reality of Venezuela is a country where the commanding heights of the economy remain firmly in the hands of a financial elite. Indeed, the private sector constitutes a larger share of the country’s economy today than when Chavez first took office, and it remains, along with the military, a pillar of his government.</p>
<p>Much of the growth of the private sector is accounted for by the financial sector, which has recorded the highest rate of profit anywhere in the world. Last year, commercial banks in Venezuela, many of them subsidiaries of major international financial institutions, saw a 110 percent increase in assets.</p>
<p>While the economy is fueled by $100 million in daily oil revenues, the lion’s share coming from exports to the US, financial speculation and administrative corruption have created increasing imbalances that are taking their toll on the working class and the poor.</p>
<p>The attempts by the government to ameliorate the effects of a 20 percent inflation rate—the highest in Latin America—with price controls has been circumvented by producers, who are either curtailing production or diverting their goods onto the black market. The result has been widespread shortages of basic food commodities for the general population, the majority of which remains in poverty, even as the wealthy elite is able to buy anything it wants and is spending more than ever.</p>
<p>Washington will do everything possible—up to and including direct military intervention—in order to reassert its hegemonic control over Venezuela’s oil reserves, the largest in the Western Hemisphere.</p>
<p>This threat cannot be defeated by strengthening the bourgeois state apparatus headed by Hugo Chavez, which rests on a military that defends capitalism and which gave rise to the attempted US-backed coup of 2002, none of whose leaders have ever been punished.</p>
<p>Various “left” political organizations attempt to subordinate the working class to Chavez and portray his “Bolivarian Revolution” as some new path to socialism, to be realized without the working class itself overthrowing capitalism or establishing its own organs of state power. They see their own role as that of agents of influence, supposedly pushing Chavez to carry out more radical measures.</p>
<p>The history of Latin America—from Allende in Chile to a host of other “left” military regimes—has shown again and again that the inevitable result of such opportunist politics is to hand the working class over to its bitterest enemies.</p>
<p>The most urgent task posed by the referendum’s results and the growing political dangers in Venezuela is the independent mobilization of the Venezuelan working class in its own political party, fighting on the basis of a genuine internationalist and socialist program in unity with workers throughout Latin America, in the US, and internationally.</p>
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		<title>Comment on what happened? by ConsDemo</title>
		<link>http://hovreferendum.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/what-happened/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>ConsDemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chavez just became to full of himself.   Even loyal followers expect some humility occasionally.   As long as oil prices remain high, he will be popular but the people aren't going to annoint him God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chavez just became to full of himself.   Even loyal followers expect some humility occasionally.   As long as oil prices remain high, he will be popular but the people aren&#8217;t going to annoint him God.</p>
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		<title>Comment on what happened? by Christophe Thill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christophe Thill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that perhaps some of the old, small, opportunist parties of the former Chavista galaxy (those who refused to join the PSUV) retain some influence locally and were able to sow division. I think it's only a matter of time before they become empty shells just like the former giants AD and Copei... but it's possible that they're still a little bit alive for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that perhaps some of the old, small, opportunist parties of the former Chavista galaxy (those who refused to join the PSUV) retain some influence locally and were able to sow division. I think it&#8217;s only a matter of time before they become empty shells just like the former giants AD and Copei&#8230; but it&#8217;s possible that they&#8217;re still a little bit alive for now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on what happened? by Patrick Larsen</title>
		<link>http://hovreferendum.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/what-happened/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to Darrall for his tireless reports and analysis from Venezuela. It has bin absolutely refreshing to get a taste of the events taking place, the feelings of the human beings involved in this marvellous revolutionary process.

Surely this setback can feel a bit desillusioning for a lot of activists across the world. But let us remember, that a revolution is not a process that advances in a straight-forward manner, but rather a complicated, complex situation, where different social forces see themselves pushed in different directions and reaching definite conclusions, as the situation develops. 

As a matter of fact, many revolutions have seen periods of lull, of tiredness - even of reaction. Remember that the Spanish Revolution from 1931-39 also had a short interval (1933-35), with reaction and apathy among some sectors. The "black years". That did not prevent the working class from taking up arms to defeat the fascists and defend the revolution.

I think that the results of the referendum, will not in anyway serve as a reciept for "stability" or "normality" in Venezuela. Rather, I think it will create more contradictions and divisions inside chavismo, where a number of bureaucrats will argue in favour of "recouncillation". This will inevitably shock head-on with the desire of the masses for the completing of the socialist revolution</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Darrall for his tireless reports and analysis from Venezuela. It has bin absolutely refreshing to get a taste of the events taking place, the feelings of the human beings involved in this marvellous revolutionary process.</p>
<p>Surely this setback can feel a bit desillusioning for a lot of activists across the world. But let us remember, that a revolution is not a process that advances in a straight-forward manner, but rather a complicated, complex situation, where different social forces see themselves pushed in different directions and reaching definite conclusions, as the situation develops. </p>
<p>As a matter of fact, many revolutions have seen periods of lull, of tiredness - even of reaction. Remember that the Spanish Revolution from 1931-39 also had a short interval (1933-35), with reaction and apathy among some sectors. The &#8220;black years&#8221;. That did not prevent the working class from taking up arms to defeat the fascists and defend the revolution.</p>
<p>I think that the results of the referendum, will not in anyway serve as a reciept for &#8220;stability&#8221; or &#8220;normality&#8221; in Venezuela. Rather, I think it will create more contradictions and divisions inside chavismo, where a number of bureaucrats will argue in favour of &#8220;recouncillation&#8221;. This will inevitably shock head-on with the desire of the masses for the completing of the socialist revolution</p>
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		<title>Comment on CNE announces NO win (updated entry) by gonz</title>
		<link>http://hovreferendum.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/cne-announces-no-win/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>gonz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alot of you people didn't bother to read the numbers did you? The point is that this isn't a victory for the opposition but a defeat for the chavistas. The people differentiating between socialism and Chavismo is healthy even if we don't necessarily agree with it (had I been born Venezuelan I would've voted 'SI'). However as someone pointed out, this result is likely to lead to the right-wing overplaying its hand (seeing as their strategy seemed to be counting on a victory for the 'SI' vote which they could then accuse of fraud). The fact that Chavez's pet reforms were defeated in a clean referendum also should make the accusations of tyranny ring a bit more hollow in the ears of any sane person. I'm not saying this is a victory for the bolivarian project, but I wouldn't say the sky is falling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alot of you people didn&#8217;t bother to read the numbers did you? The point is that this isn&#8217;t a victory for the opposition but a defeat for the chavistas. The people differentiating between socialism and Chavismo is healthy even if we don&#8217;t necessarily agree with it (had I been born Venezuelan I would&#8217;ve voted &#8216;SI&#8217;). However as someone pointed out, this result is likely to lead to the right-wing overplaying its hand (seeing as their strategy seemed to be counting on a victory for the &#8216;SI&#8217; vote which they could then accuse of fraud). The fact that Chavez&#8217;s pet reforms were defeated in a clean referendum also should make the accusations of tyranny ring a bit more hollow in the ears of any sane person. I&#8217;m not saying this is a victory for the bolivarian project, but I wouldn&#8217;t say the sky is falling.</p>
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